Since the start of the primaries, Barack Obama has been the recipient of much scrutiny concerning his birth certificate. Most of you have heard the arguments the his birth certificate was forged, he wasn’t born in Hawaii, etc. and at times it gets wearying trying to keep up with the claims and spending the time doing the research to counter those claims. Barga, who comments here at Mountain Sage and who has his own blog, Whalertly, approached me about a joint project. We have started a clearing house, so to speak, of the claims the birthers make and the answers we have found after doing much research.
By collaborating, Barga and I each bring our own take on the claims and we hope that our work will save you the work of spending hours researching what has already been researched. Be assured that we have sourced our answers.
It is our goal to be the most comprehensive site on the Internet for information on Barack Obama’s birth certificate and eligibility for the office of President.
Not all of the claims presented on the website have been answered. Barga and I are working on them. We hope that anyone who has input with claims we have not seen or answers we have not considered will fill out the form found on that page and share information with us. It will be helpful if you source the claim or answer.
Each claim that we have to date is presented in the format on the screen shot below. NOTE: THIS IS A SCREEN SHOT ONLY. THE ANSWERS ARE NOT EXPANDABLE. YOU MUST GO TO Anti-Birthers Cove TO USE THE EXPANDABLE CLAIM AND ANSWER FORMAT.
When you click on the teal colored text of the claim the text will expand to give you the answer we are presenting. It’s actually pretty cool.
So, please check it out. You can find the claims and answers at: Anti-Birther’s Cove | Whalertly.
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Some people seem to be having trouble with the page so here is what we have as of now:
Claim: Obama was not born in the United States, specifically Hawaii, and the birth certificate he posted on the Internet is a fake, and not the long form birth certificate.
Answer From Sage:
Obama released his Hawaii birth certificate in June 2008 and almost immediately birthers claimed that it was a forgery. These “experts” never saw or handled the original BC, but instead used a jpeg of a scanned document to do their analysis. Anyone who has ever worked with a scanner and photos knows that a scanner only picks up a certain amount of details, depending on the quality of the original, and the quality of the scanner. Nobody who has actually seen the original has deemed it a fake.
As for the “long form” birth certificate, an official of the State of Hawaii has certified that the form is in the vault and the short form is an accurate representation of the long form.
“Our Certificate of Live Birth is the standard form, which was modeled after national standards that are acceptable by federal agencies and organizations,” Okubo told the Honolulu Advertiser. “With that form, you can get your passport or your soccer registration or your driver’s license.”
I daresay most of us do not possess our long form birth certificate – I know I don’t. And in fact the form with footprints etc. are actually a keepsake, not a legal copy.. The shorter version is accepted as proof of citizenship by federal and state agencies:
“Often, people don’t realize that what they consider their official birth certificate is not actually a legal document. The copy given to new parents at the hospital, sometimes with the baby’s footprints on it, is meant to be a cherished keepsake but is not valid for official proof of identity. Your original birth certificate must remain on file at the designated vital records agency office of your birth place after being submitted for registration by the attending hospital. This is where the only “original” copy of your birth record is located. This version is kept under lock and key and most people will never see their original. This is done to help ensure your identity is protected. For purposes of official business you’ll want to obtain a certified (raised seal) birth certificate from the department of public health or vital records office where the birth took place. This is also often described as an “official” copy.”
(from Article Base)
On July 28, 2009 Fox News ran the following story:
“State officials in Hawaii on Monday said they have once again checked and confirmed that President Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen, and therefore meets a key constitutional requirement for being president.”
Answer From Sage:
Remember, the release of his Certificate of Live Birth that kicked off all of the forgery claims. Why would Obama open up that can of worms again? Can anyone who questions the birth certificate he already has posted online honestly say they would accept a long form birth certificate posted online as genuine? I think that if we are being honest, we know that another birth certificate being released would simply start the process all over again. Why should the President of the United States continue to give credence to a conspiracy theory? He released the birth certificate that is considered proof of citizenship already. If that is good enough to satisfy federal and state agencies, then it should be good enough for the Internet “experts”.
Answer from Daily KOS
Recently, World Net Daily released what they claimed to be the birth certificate of President Obama, and it was from Kenya. Almost immediately, people on the Internet were able to show that the certificate was clearly a falsehood:
“First, the hospital is Coast Provincial General Hospital (sometimes said to be Coast Province General Hospital), not Coast General Hospital.
Second, Kenya was a Dominion the date this certificate was allegedly issued and would not become a republic for 8 months.
Third, Mombasa belonged to Zanzibar when Obama was born, not Kenya.
Fourth, Obama’s father’s village would be nearer to Nairobi, not Mombasa.
Fifth, the number 47O44– 47 is Obama’s age when he became president, followed by the letter O (not a zero) followed by 44–he is the 44th president.
Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent.
Seventh, would a nation with a large number of Muslims actually say “Christian name” (as opposed to name) on the birth certificate?
Eighth, his father (born in 1961) would have been 24 or 25 when he was born and not 26.
Ninth, it was called the “Central Nyanza District,” not Nyanza Province. The regions were changed to provinces in 1970.”
While these are just some of the things that throw the certificate into question, there are dozens more little details that cause one to wonder on the legitimacy of this claimed Kenyan certificate. Clearly, the Birth Certificate from WND is a fake.
Answer From Barga
World Net Daily has recently claimed that a newspaper from Ghana indicates that Africa is the continent of Obama’s birth. Looking at this, you must remember how African’s consider their heritage and nationality, and how literal reading does not work in this story. Africans consider their heritage to be the birthplace of their fathers, as that is how their tribal system works. They are saying that Obama is of the tribe in Kenya, not was literally born there.
Answer From Barga
On August 4, 1961, the Honolulu Advertiser and the Star Bulletin both contained an announcement stating that Barack Obama had been born. Many birthers have claimed that this announcement is either false, or was planned to mislead us. This is an interesting claim, as it requires the assumption that there is a 40+ year-old conspiracy afoot just to get Obama elected president. While we have no way of proving that the announcement was not, in fact, a scam, we are able to assume it was not. The concept of a conspiracy that large, specifically at a time when it was thought that blacks could NEVER become president, simply is outside the realm of logic. Anything of this sort is not only inconceivable, but illogical.