The Nemenhah Band and the Daniel Hauser controversy
Where does religious freedom end and medical neglect take over? Apparently a Minnesota judge believes Colleen Hauser has crossed that line.
Daniel Hauser is 13 years old and suffers from Hodgkin’s lymphoma. In the past Daniel had responded positively to chemotherapy but his parents decided to go with a natural healing course that I will discuss more fully below. Daniel, according to the judge who issued the arrest warrant for his mother, suffers from a learning disability and cannot read, making it unlikely that Daniel fully understands the extent of his illness and the pros and cons of chemotherapy.
The Hausers belong to a group known as the Nemenhah Band that believes in natural healing. Who or what is the Nemenhah Band?
The Nemenhah Band claims to be a group of American Indian healers; however, their practices have been criticized by many Native Americans. One such critic is Al Carroll, a Mescalero Apache, Ph.D.-holding author and Fulbright scholar who moderates a website dedicated to exposing people who exploit American Indian traditions for profit.
Being a curious person I went to the Nemenhah Band website and found that for $250, sent along with a filled out form you can be adopted into the band and become a natural healer.
I also found that the Nemenhah group’s leader, Phillip Landis, who has been convicted of fraud in two states for misleading investors in an alternative-health mushroom-growing business.¹
On the forum attached to the Nemenhah Band’s website Chief Cloudpiler says that the program is self-directed, which doesn’t give me a lot of faith in their program and healing abilities.²
In the forum is a post by someone using the screenname drorganics:
Even after attending the last 2 day trial and knowing the family, I still come away confused as to what the latest court decision really means for us as Nemenhah. If your like me, your contemplating the safety and wellbeing of your family members. How could this case effect other potential cases in the future? What if this happened to me or somebody I love? And shouldnt the courts have recognized the laws guarding indiginous[sic] peoples’ rights? The ultimate question you may be asking is “Is being Nemenhah really good enough anymore?” SOURCE
Laws guarding indigenous peoples’ rights….interesting choice of words given that the Nemenhah Band is not recognized as a tribe but as a religion. drorganics goes on to say that Minnesota law gives one the right to forgo traditional medical treatments in favor of alternative treatments but the good doctor fails to acknowledge that we are talking about a minor child here, one that can’t read no less.
By AMY FORLITI, Associated Press Writer Amy Forliti, Associated Press Writer – 42 mins ago
NEW ULM, Minn. – Authorities nationwide were on the lookout Wednesday for a mother and her 13-year-old cancer-stricken son who fled after refusing the chemotherapy that doctors say could save the boy’s life.
Colleen Hauser and her son, Daniel, who has Hodgkin’s lymphoma, apparently left their southern Minnesota home sometime after a doctor’s appointment and court-ordered X-ray on Monday showed his tumor had grown.
Brown County District Judge John Rodenberg, who had ruled last week that Daniel’s parents were medically neglecting him, issued an arrest warrant Tuesday for Colleen Hauser and ruled her in contempt of court. Rodenberg also ordered that Daniel be placed in foster care and immediately evaluated by a cancer specialist for treatment.
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“I don’t know why they started this situation in the first place,” he said. “Why does someone believe they have the right over your child?”
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The judge has said Daniel, who has a learning disability and cannot read, did not understand the risks and benefits of chemotherapy and didn’t believe he was ill.
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The Hausers are Roman Catholic and also believe in the “do no harm” philosophy of the Nemenhah Band, a Missouri-based religious group that believes in natural healing methods advocated by some American Indians. Colleen Hauser testified earlier that she had been treating his cancer with herbal supplements, vitamins, ionized water and other natural alternatives.
Further information from the Nemenhah Band website further explains the “standing” of the band:
Federal Law dictates that a ‘Native American Practitioner’ or ‘Traditional Spiritual Leader’ must be either an enrolled member of a Federally Recognized Tribe or Band, or he/she must be recognized as such by Tribes, Bands, or other Native American Traditional Organizations. Therefore, every member of the Nemenhah Band enjoys recognition, not as Tribal Medicine People, such as Lakota or Yankton or Mandan, to name few, but rather, as Nemenhah Medicine Men or Women and Ministers of the Oklevueha Native American Church of Sanpete.
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This is the pivotal message that the United States Supreme Court delivered in Gonzales vs O Centro de Espirto Vegetal – that blood quanta and Tribal enrollment are incidental if the organization is recognized by Tribes, Bands, or Traditional Organizations.
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Nemenhah Medicine Men and Women declare that Natural Healing is part of their Spiritual Orientation and that they will ‘First Do No Harm.’ If you can make this declaration, the Nemenhah Band invites you to request Spiritual Adoption and join with the Community of the Nemenhah.
Membership is only by Spiritual Adoption. It is also the only way the Nemenhah Seminary can accept you into the program and designate you a Medicine Man or Medicine Woman. As a Nemenhah Medicine Man or Woman you will be able to practice your Healing Ministry under the full weight and protection of the Native American Free Exercise of Religion Act 1993 (NAFERA) and the Religious Freedom Restoration Act 1993 (RFRA). SOURCE
There is no requirement for Native American blood to be a member of the Band:
After reading the Constitution of the Band, if you wish to request Spiritual Adoption and to begin your training as a Nemenhah Medicine Man or Woman, click on the link below, download the PDF application for spiritual adoption, fill it out, and mail with the suggested donation to:
Nemenhah
P.O. Box 126
Weaubleau, MO 65774
The Sacred Giveaway is the method by which the Nemenhah Program is supported. The Suggested Offering amount for the Ceremonial Service of Individual Spiritual Adoption is $250.00 initially and $100.00 annually. Thereafter, Nemenhah Members of good intention, willingly make regular, monthly offerings from out of their own financial stewardship. They do this prayerfully, relying on Spirit to direct them in the amount or kind of offering that is most appropriate. They never neglect this part of the Adoption Covenant, understanding that if they do, the Nemenhah Band cannot continue in its important work and its offering to Humanity globally.
All of the Educational Modules of the Core Curriculum are offered with the request that you make a donation of $30.00 (or as much as Spirit directs you) for each module.
If you have already been spiritually adopted and you already made your initial $250.00 offering, please remember to support the program by making additional offerings for the Course Modules on a regular basis. All offerings are strictly voluntary and non-refundable. SOURCE
Safety net or circumvention of law?
Our Mission is to provide a safety net for Natural Healers by effectively bringing the Sacred back into Natural Healing. We concentrate our efforts in the Healing of the Body Physical, the Body Familial, the Body Societal and the Whole Earth.
Our Offering goes out to all Natural Healers of Good Intention. If you are willing to publicly declare that Natural Healing comprises part of your Spiritual Orientation, that you will First Do No Harm, and that you will work to further the work of perfecting and unifying the Band and the fulfilling of its mission, promising your support for its services and offerings, you are invited to become part of our Permanent Population through the ancient Principle of Spiritual Adoption. SOURCE
I approached this research and article with as much objectivity as I possibly could. I personally much prefer finding natural or alternative treatments for illnesses when at all possible. I went to chiropractors for years, well before they had the credibility that they enjoy today and I credit them with keeping me out of surgery for my back for years. I found that magnesium has relieved me of a number of ailments much better than drugs. AND I have a drop or two of Native American blood myself, giving me a willingness to be open to possibilities.
My conclusion is as an adult I am free to believe any way I choose and to forgo medical science and treat my physical ailments as I see fit, BUT I do not have the right to withhold medical treatment from a minor child who does not have the ability to understand the pros and cons of treatments and whose very life is dependent on the treatment decisions. I did an Internet search for testimonies from those healed by the ceremonies and treatments particular to the Nemenhah Band….I didn’t find any so it would be impossible, even if I had the medical training, to assess the treatments and the veracity of claims of healing.
I guess the question that must be asked and answered is “where does religious freedom begin and end” and “at what point do the rights and beliefs of a parent become abusive and negligent”? I have a lot of problems with the government dictating medical treatments but I also have a lot of problems with parents refusing standard medical treatment for a minor in favor of unscientific treatments. As parents we are called upon to make decisions every day for those in our care and it is up to each of us to make the best life giving decisions possible. Hope and belief does not, in my opinion, substitute for scientific, medical treatments when it is proven that the medical treatment has a track record of being effective for the particular illness.
I hope Daniel Hauser is found in time for medical intervention to save his young life. Please remember not alternative therapies are created equal.
¹ SOURCE
² SOURCE





May 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Thanks for this posting, Sage–and for finding and citing all those sources. The Nemenhah bunch sound like a new version of snake-oil salesmen. Interesting that “drorganics” played the victim card for his Nemenhah pseudo-Native American group, a la “[S]houldn’t the courts have recognized the laws guarding indiginous [sic] peoples’ rights?” At what point did his group become the victims (and center of attention) in this sad tale? The ‘victim’ by anybody’s terms is this 13-year-old child, victimized by cancer, then by his parents’ understandable but not rational turning away from proven treatment methods, then victimized by these other groups of opportunists and charlatans rushing in to further their own agendas. I hope his mother will agree to the chemo and also continue alternative treatments, if she and her son believe in them so strongly. Why does it have to be either/or instead of both/and?
Antares Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I just have to say to me it’s either/or because chemo and alternative treatments are at odds with eachother. The rational of alternative medicine is that there is some unhealthy pattern at work which needs to be brought back into a healthful state through support — while chemo is literally a barrage of toxins. How is an alternative method to gain any ground in the creation of a wholesome and healthy body while it is simultaneously under this assult? Of course, you can lessen the harmful effects of chemo through natural methods, but that is not the same thing as that which is being discussed.
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Good point.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
You know, I wish the “wasicu” would just leave American Indians out of this. Native Peoples put their children first and at this stage of the game, if their holy man/healer can’t do anything, then they seek help elsewhere. Just another thing the white man has done…taken something else away from the First Peoples….their beliefs…and falsified them. The woman should go to prison!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Thanks SAGE ! I find this topic riveting. Not sure why. But I still cannot make up my mind about it. I don’t know what is right in this case.
I think it’s natural to say OMG that mother is a criminal !!!!
BUT,,, think about what it means to have the govt dictate to you anything about your health. WHat if you were diabetic and went to jail for eating a twinkie? Or had emphesyma sp* and went to jail for smoking a cigarette? Or had liver disease and had a beer, etc etc etc. I just wonder where they draw the line between non – compliant and criminal.
That he is learning disabled only further muddies the water> BECAUSE whether he is learning disabled or not a 14 year old is a minor and has to have a parent sign for them in lots of matters…so I’m not even sure his capacity is an issue ! Regardless of capacity 14 year olds are not responsible for their own choices , are they? I mean say he was a genius and decided no treatment,,,would that make a difference ? Would it change the way you feel about it ? It’s a very interesting case for sure. And every time I start to lean one way, i think of a reason to lean the other……..
Sage Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
It’s not an easy subject and it’s not easy to know what is right or wrong. I think each case must be dealt with individually and that no one answer is right for everyone. But, what if he had a broken arm? Wouldn’t we all think it negligent if the parents didn’t make sure it was set properly?
If this were a 16 year old who was very intelligent and who understood he was indeed sick and understood the pros and cons of chemotherapy I would be more inclined to think the government shouldn’t have stepped.
I just happen to think in this particular case that the judge was right.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
If I’m really honest with myself, I have to admit that I don’t know what I would do if this were my child. Being ‘rational’ would probably be pretty far down on my list of priorities, but I like to think that I would tell my son the pros in addition to the cons of chemotherapy, and remind him that the tumors had shrunk after the earlier chemo treatments. I am not always a fan of our current medical care system, and I do think some alternative care systems do work well. I still don’t understand why they turned away from any additional chemo, although I realize it is nasty stuff. Dying as a teenager from not having every available proven treatment method is also nasty, though.
I’m sending every positive thought, wish, and prayer to the boy and both his parents–not that I can prove such things actually help, but, in case they do, it’s at least one thing I can do for them from half-way across the country.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
As the mother of seven children I cant imagine not doing all I could to prolong my child’s life. I would gladly give mine up for any of my children, so I don’t understand how anyone could refuse treatment that could save a child’s life.
I think the judge is right, she should be in jail, this organization is nothing but a fraudulent practice.
Paying money does not make you a healer. It is a gift, something money cant buy. But these people believe that because they paid their 250.00 they have suddenly become a healer, WTF?
It is amazing how much shit people get away with. This is nothing more than a scam, yet people are buying it.
Disgusting!
Sage Reply:
May 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I happen to agree that this particular group probably has no more healing ability than I do.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I was in that position with a newborn. My problem was I had no choices because they did not know what was wrong with her until after she died. They went all out on her and I often could not stay in the room for some of the proceedures (Ie spinal tap on a 4 lb baby).
If I had options I could have made a decision and gone all out to save her. My husband and I talked about that after we got her autopsy. We were told of a congential heart defect that had no fix at that time. Our options would have been 1. continue to treat (experiment) with her until she died. 2. Give us a private room to stay with her until she died and 3. Take her home to die.
For this reason I cannot understand why this woman is not doing everything she can to save her son including the stuff that is nasty. I had my girl 13 days. She has had 13 yrs and has had a chance to know him. She was presented with the truth about how effective her “cure” is and rather than set her pride aside and face it, she has run away. With the boy and his growing tumor.
AliSilver Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:14 am
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 7:01 pm
I’m so sorry, Wizcon. What a hard, sad situation to be in.
Wizcon Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I didn’t mean to tell this for sympathy but thank you. No one wants to see their child in pain or at risk. This child is already there and admits that the tumor pressing on his port hurts. He is in pain and ill with her cures. Her motives come across as selfish. She has other children and her husband which she has abandoned
Now her husband is pleading with her to come back so they can make decisions as a family.
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:04 pm
I know, but I’m still very sorry. That had to be a very hurtful thing to go through. I still have trouble thinking about my miscarriage sometimes.
May 21st, 2009 at 3:01 am
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May 21st, 2009 at 9:13 am
Well I’m getting close to making an opinion on this one, lol !
I think A) it is clear this mother is an idiot, negligent and possibly demented or somehow incapacitated herself ! B) I just have a hard time connected that to illegal! I think even though we all agree she SHOULD be taking her boy for treatment, is it then fair to say she HAS TO BY LAW. I think it is just not the law’s place to say! Uh…although they make us seatbelt our children…. UGHHHHH,, see this is why I can’t form an opinion. Every time I think I’ve got it , I think of something else. So we are forced by law to seatbelt our kids, ( doesnt mean its a bad thing, mind you and i d do it ieven if it werent illegal) , so is that the same thing?
OH and my other point was this,,, Doctors ” practice ” medicine. Medicine is not science! It is not concrete and outcomes cannot be predicted. It is a PRACTICE and when it comes to cancer, apparently no amount of practice makes perfect ! So they are imploring her to come back and legally bind her to do something that MAY or MAY NOT help her son, right? AAAAAACCCCKKK ! It’s agonizing all the little aspects to this. I think we are best to pray to GOD none of us are ever anywhere close to this sort of problem.
On another note, a cancer survivor who ran many years ago has come out today and said he would help the boy remain hidden if he could. So does his opinion matter ? IDK
James WFE Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 3:09 pm
My wife of 15 years died in 1987 in part because her body could not withstand the chemotheraphy. Her body simply gave out. She did not die of the Lymphoma decease.
I believe that Mrs. Hauser should have abided by the courts ruling. However I believe that a mother has a spiritual endowment right to make the final decision on what is best for her children.
I know Chief Phil ‘Cloudpiler’ Landis, personally. It is true that he was convicted of fraud and spent time incarcerated for this conviction. However this conviction had nothing to do with his authenticity of being a gifted Medicine Man and teacher of natural healing methods.
My prayers are with all people surrounding this troubling issue.
James Warren ‘Flaming Eagle’ Mooney
Co-Founder of Oklevueha Native American Church.
He is of Nez Perce lineage and is the president of a branch of a bonafide Native American Church. The Native American Church is the only federally recognized organization that represents American Native Culture and its unique spiritual ceremonies. The Native American Church also holds the unique federally recognized as a healing and earth based religion.
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I’m sorry for your loss.
I’m not the biggest fan of modern medicine but I also think that alternative medicine must be held to the same standards of efficacy as western medicine.
While I think adults have the absolute right to decide for themselves what method of treatment or lack thereof but when it comes to a minor child I believe parents MUST educate themselves on the treatments and their success rates. I haven’t seen any success rates for cancer treatments from the Nemenhah Band. How many people with cancer have they treated and what percentage were cured? Chemotherapy is not, IMO, the end all be all for cancer treatment but it has proven to be effective for the particular type of cancer Daniel is suffering from.
Healers, whether doctors of medicine men, are held to certain standards and being convicted of fraud is bound to effect one’s reputation….Chief Landis might indeed be a gifted healer but his conviction for fraud certainly clouds the issue and it should. If he committed fraud in one area why not another? Is that fair? Maybe not but it is the way things work and to think that conviction would have no bearing on his reputation is extremely naive.
Again, I would say that medicine men should be held to standards and the standard must be how effective are their treatments. I haven’t found anything to answer that question when it comes to the Nemenhah Band.
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May 21st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
If there is any words to be said on a subject such as “The Hauser Boy” then people should direct all what they have to say towards Daniel !! If you got something to say then say it to him ! This Blog is NOT about upholding “YOUR” Feelings nor “YOUR” Sacred Freedom !! This Blog is all about a child who is not getting ANY Rest disconnected from his own Feelings !! Yac yak goes nowhere !! I spoke in earlier Blog’s with efforts trying to redirect The Energies toward PRAYER for Daniel’s wholeness however the representatives who govern over this discussion group removed my Blog’s entirely because of the spiritual content it contained for Daniel’s healing !!
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Excuse me? I didn’t delete your comments they went into the spam filter and I usually delete everything in spam because there are too many to read through.
And what this blog is all about is NOT yours to decide, it’s not your blog. The blog is for discussion and that’s what we are doing, discussing. If you can’t deal with discussions you might want to go elsewhere.
Those of us inclined to prayer don’t need you to remind us to do so.
JESUS LAND TIDD Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 7:22 pm
The TRUE FLAME OF FREEDOM AND PEACE in America is NEVER that to be carried on in discussions. IT IS something one experiences from deep within The Heart !! America is a country that trys to express The Sacredness of Freedom however unfortunately as you and all know, “if one upholds THE FLAME of PEACE their Rightful Feelings from within the Heart they are removed from society and Forums and they also need to go into hidding as Mrs. Hauser is forced to do !!
AliSilver Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:44 am
This Blog is NOT about upholding “YOUR” Feelings nor “YOUR” Sacred Freedom !! <<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>
AliSilver Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Oh part of my post didn’t show up. I can’t remember what it was now, LOL. But probably something along the lines of THIS BLOG is not about whatever LAND TIDD thinks its’ about and honestly ,,, I think we can all say a prayer of thanks for that
May 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pm
AliSilver said, “Medicine is not science! It is not concrete and outcomes cannot be predicted.”
In the case of Hodgkin’s lymphoma, it can safely be predicted that unless Daniel gets chemotherapy and radiation therapy fairly soon, he won’t live to be 18. He will die a very painful death as the tumor grows and shoves his lungs out of the way. His chances of surviving with untreated (or treated only with the quackery his mom is using) are basically zero.
It can safely be predicted that his chances of surviving to be 18 are about 95 out of 100 if he gets the currently recommended therapies.
If you were gambling with a child’s life, which bet would you place? The one where the odds are stacked against him or for him?
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I agree 100%. When it comes to healing we always have to go for the highest odds of success in my opinion.
As I said in another post, where are the statistics for healing diseases from the Nemenhah Band?
JESUS LAND TIDD Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:03 pm
The highest forum of healing for Our Country and individuals like Daniel is coming to understand THERE IS NO SEPERATION whatsoever between a prayerful State of consciousness and a Governing System upholding that consiousness of P_E_A_C_E for all – unification of what We all are in One Heart !!!
Wizcon Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Will she have peace in her conscious when he dies?
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I’m not sure what you’re smoking but I think I might like some.
Wizcon Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I’m sure it’s all natural.
JESUS LAND TIDD Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:21 pm
The consciousness in America for proper PEACE & SACRED FREEDOM is long been dead!! Therefore Daniel will not and cannot die !! Who IAM ? IAM the one, among all of you who lives for THE HIGHEST ScIences for perfecting THE CHILD’S HEART and IAM for a Government upholding the Sciences of PEACE structured within the Natural Laws of Daniel’s Heart !! IAM Daniel’s Distant Healer !! IAM totally against outward stimulating energies and all forms of drugs that alter’s the Natural consciousness of PEACE !!
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Ok, enough of your nonsense. Let me clue you in, you aren’t I AM, you aren’t the Healing Light upon Daniel, and you obviously aren’t in total retreat from the world as you stated on another board. What you are is delusional.
PS You aren’t the true voice of America either.
Bye.
AliSilver Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:42 am
Hey Jesus,,, As a God Fearing Jesus Lover myself,,, I am just gonna say, NICELY
and POLITELY, that I doubt if your message will get across when you bark it like a banshee. Do you really think you are glorifying Jesus OR influencing anyone’s opinion with your comments? I’m all for PRAYING for the boy and that needs to be done, but I would think your approach may in fact do the opposite for some people if you offend them with your comments. Remember Love is KIND
Are you ?
AliSilver Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:43 am
I did not know odds were SO high for success with the treatment! Tks
May 21st, 2009 at 8:35 pm
IAM going outside into the woods and I will return to answer “that” which can weigh on the heart !!
May 21st, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I get the gist of what you are saying but I can read and understand the original versions in Hebrew and Greek versions better. All very admirable but not palatable when you speak in riddles. Nice you can maintain yourself on a euphoric cloud with no sense of responsibility or inclination to do other than preach a wish. When you come out of the woods, the rest of the world and a bigger reality will be waiting.
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:11 pm
I hope he brings us the answer to the age old question…if a tree falls in the woods and no one is there to hear it did it make a noise?
May 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pm
I liked the part where Tidd discussed how this can never be discussed. I am wondering if he/she used a keyboard and internet to relay these thoughts.
Sage Reply:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:06 pm
LOL.
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 am
WOW,,,, things got heated up last night !
Sage Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Nah. I’m just not going to let someone post gibberish and not call them on it. I do find it offensive for whathisname to call himself I AM and the Healing Light.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:01 am
Not really. Just annoyed.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
It must be nice to just KNOW what is right and wrong for all people all the time ….. What a gift !
May 22nd, 2009 at 10:26 am
Some parents in WI are on trial for second degree reckless homicide for allowing their diabetic daughter to die. They prayed over her. Last week the mother suffered some kind of medical emergency at her trial and accepted medical intervention. WI, like MN has exemptions for medical treatment for religious groups but apparently these two did not meet that criteria
http://www.jsonline.com/news/wisconsin/29556929.html
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/23475/madeline-neumann-15
Wizcon Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
The mother was found guilty today. She is facing 25 yrs
Sage Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I’m sorry she let it get to that point.
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Land Tidd never did come back from the woods, eh? pity !
Sage Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
LOL
Wizcon Reply:
May 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Actually he did and said something up under my ” I’m sure it’s all natural. He posted that at 9:21 and went out to the woods at 8:35. Gone less than an hour.
May 25th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Is everyone willing to give up their rights? The judge has no legal standing to have issued this warrant. The parent has every right to refuse chemotherapy on behalf of child on religious grounds. Are you all a bunch of sheep out there? If the government succeeds on this front, then you will have no right to refuse any and all treatments sanctioned by the government. Remember the fight about the cervical cancer immunization for teenage girls? The immunization assumes every girl is sexually active with multiple partners from an early age….is this your daughter? Think twice about this one folks, this is not the path we should be following. Fight for the mom and kid, they had it right.
Sage Reply:
May 25th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I find it interesting you would insult others by calling them sheep when you are the one spouting the obviously right wing typical opinion.
No one should have the religious right to kill their child and yes there is precedent for the judge issuing the warrant.
I think the parents have every right to choose their own treatment for themselves but not to condemn this child to an agonizing death out of stupidity.
This certainly isn’t the first time courts have ordered treatments for children. And none of those incidents ended in wholesale demands from the government that they determine courses of treatment for everyone.
Chemotherapy is very effective for Hodgkins, but I haven’t seen any stats for natural treatment cure rates for Hodgkins.
As for the Gardisil vaccine….we have a number of vaccines required by the government for children to attend school. Why the hysteria over Gardisil? Simple, the right wing silliness over anything even vaguely linked to sex.
May 25th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
it has been interesting reading this dicussion! I too, have gone back and forth on the issue. I found this site as I was trying to educate myself more on the alternative medicine his mother wanted to use. I live in El Paso Tx. and I know many people travel to Mexico, just across the border,to recieve alternative medicine for cancer. I don’t know what the statistics on the alternative therapies are, but I think these alternatives are more of a last ditch effort to rid the body of the diesease…i love things that make me think!?
May 26th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Well they’ve gone home ! And I for one am GLAD! Although I still am somewhat on the fence about the issue,,,,,, I have gone back and forth , back and forth. But since mom did take him back, then there will be no big standoff and guns drawn BS when they find them hiding out in a grove of trees somewhere. That would have been a nightmare. I wonder will the mom be arrested? I guess I should read the story, LOL,, it probably says!